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Finnish guy finnishes visit to Belgrade

Hello dear readers – the server in Germany where the site is located had a problem and we were offline in the past two days, so here’s what i missed to share with you: blog in Serbian has been included in Blogkatalog (you can vote for the blog there) and Planetoid, and is still in cue for Blogariat, Blogodak and an interesting project by Tino Bundic2000 bloggers, found via Blogowski (that’s why you can see yours truly in the gallery in the footer).

That’s it when it comes to blog*, and in other news, we got Marti Ahtisaari in Belgrade today. Ahtisaari decided to come despite Koshtunica pretended he wasn’t there luckily, Boris Tadic was home so he opened the door and let the Finnish guy do his thing.

So, after his press conference in Media centre, everything is clear.

Apparently, the only things Kosovo will get are: justice department not controlled by outside forces**, their own police, an army free from external*** control and constraint, sovereign constitution, autonomous border control, Serbia’s property will become Kosovo property, they will choose their own coat of arms, national anthem, flag and will get the right to apply for membership in all international organizations without having to ask Serbia first.

Whew, and here i was, thinking they were going to get independence. Thanks to Sloba and Radicals some years ago and now Koshtunica, that will not happen. As Borat would say: Great success!

*oh, and please spread the news: we’re online again!

**as in: Serbia

***as in: Serbian


12 Responses to “Finnish guy finnishes visit to Belgrade”

  1. Blackbird says:

    Good for Kostunica. Ahtisaari shouldn’t be allowed on Serbian soil, so why acknowledge him at all? What is he doing in Belgrade anyway before a new government is even formed? Who’s he going to lord it over — the non-president?

    Screw Ahtisaari (aka Adolfsen)

    Fascist is as fascist does, and fascists have wanted to stick it to Serbs for a long time – they are obssessed with that.

  2. Ivan says:

    I really find this amazing. Ahtisari really developed a new state, without calling it an independent country, and he thinks that Tadic will fall for this plan, only because it is not written that Kosovo will be independent.

    The thing is quite clear, that EU and USA want Kosovo to be independent and now Serbia and Russia are on their way for that. In the end Serbia will be forced either to recognize Kosovo as an independent country or it will not be able to join EU. I am afraid that if that happens, Radicals and Kostunica will grow extremely powerful in Serbia to the extent that we will have another famous referendum of “ We will not give up Kosovo”.

    I myself I feell confused and betrayed. I support DS, and the EU integration, but what the EU and USA policy is towards Serbia I find it degrading. IT kind of brings that “inat” inside of me where I would agree to the comment of Velja Ilic. IT shows me that in fact Serbia was not bombarded to stop Milosevic’s regime of doing masacres ( which now I start even doubting the numbers are as the West shows them), but it really was attacked to create a new Albalnian state on the soil of Serbia.

    Greeetings from a person who is dissapointed in European values ,


  3. Cvijus says:

    I agree with Ivan on this one.

    What Ahtisaari presented is the creation of a new state, with all the elements that go with a real state. In other words, independence for Kosovo-Metohija, but not quite expressed as independence. I guess Ahtisaari reinvents the notion of statehood in different terms. And what’s that crap that Serbia’s property will go itno Kosovar hands? I thought that property is holy?

    Even though I was, and I would like to be, a strong believer of european values and international law, I now realized that they are relative from case to case. It somehow raises the doubt whether joining the EU through a blackmail is worth of it.

  4. Cvijus says:

    Oh I forgot.

    If this is how EU plans to promote democracy in Serbia, I wish them good luck and recomend them to read Don Quixote.

  5. Estavisti says:

    Serbia should not join the EU. The EU is the entity that brought Serbia to where it is today. Why should we be absorbed by the anti-democratic neo-imperialistic entity that was instrumental in implementing the sanctions, the bombing, that doesn’t want to negotiate with us because of Mladic (although we don’t know where he is), that feeds us bullshit rhetoric on the one hand, and keeps us in an open prison with the visa regime, and etc? Their latest jape is to promote a centralised BiH and an independent Kosovo! You can only rationalise so much. Of course, we should cooperate economically and culturally with the EU, but why should we join this vehicle for German and French global influence? So they can screw over yet more unsuspecting countries? If we do, the majority of our laws will be written in Brussels and we’ll have no influence on them (as Serbia’s population would be around a whopping 1-2% of the EU’s population). Does that sound like fun?

    Face it, the EU treats Serbia like an abusive husband treats a battered wife – and Serbia just laps it up like a little bitch. I know some people find it hard to accept that Serbia doesn’t need the EU, but that’s the truth. I know it feels comforting to be working towards a goal that garners approval from our self-appointed guardians and teachers (joining the EU), but what we should be working towards is economic strength, a cultural renaissance, and maintaining our sovereignty (which we would lose the moment we joined the EU – see Vaclav Havel’s writings on this from a Czech perspective). We need to respect ourselves and our own ability to guide our future, and THAT’S when we’ll get respect, not when we prostrate ourselves before failed national politicians who were exiled to Brussels (as we do now).

    As usual, Croatia is ahead of the curve – a coalition of anti-EU accession parties was formed recently. A Serbian equivalent would almost certainly get my vote.

  6. The Dude says:

    Holy crap Estavisiti – you have no idea how wrongly you have assessed the situation. Really.

    Wow, you are more moronic than I would have guessed – though not stupid. Your points are valid, but directed at the wrong people….

    Why don’t you say a word or two about dear Dr. Seselj? He thinks the same you do….

  7. Estavisti says:

    No need to throw around personal insults, but since you have…you seem similar to Šešelj in the way you operate (paucity of rational arguments, insults, prejudiced against people who don’t think the same as you etc) Why do you have such a powerful knee jerk reaction against people who disagree with you, same as Šešelj has against “Ustaše” and “domaći izdajnici”? Why can’t you be civil? Something to think about perhaps? Extremism isn’t only a right wing thing, you know. Just for the record, I consider Šešelj to be at about your level of debate.

    Anyway, to answer your point. Did the main EU states actively and enthusiastically support the sanctions & bombing? Are they still persuing an actively anti-Serbian policy? Yes they did, and yes they are. And sadly some people have internalised the EU’s propaganda, rationalised the situation, and seemed to enjoy denigrating their own country way beyond the limits of normal, reasonable criticism…

    If you have anything else to say to me, make it civil and on topic. No ad hominem attacks please, they will be ignored.

  8. bganon says:

    Not that I have any time for ole ‘Farty ‘ but have any of you guys read his report?

    It can be found on the internet.

    Of course we all know which hymn book the guy is singing from but I’d be much happier if people were to dispute what he wrote rather than their impression of him.

    I have only read the summary and to be honest there isnt much to dispute.

    Cvijus ‘Even though I was, and I would like to be, a strong believer of european values and international law, I now realized that they are relative from case to case.’

    True enough but because others dont live up to certain values they claim to represent NEVER should mean that we must copy that behaviour. People spend a lot of time talking about dignity ‘national dignity’ if you like but its a fact that many of those people dont usually argue that others should behave in a dignified way – they say that we should not because others dont. That is an upside down argument in my opinion.

    Dont ask me about my blog! Will do one this week – about the big one – Kosovo. And trust me I have something to say…

  9. Viktor says:

    Bganon, send us a link to the report, i bet there are lots of people who didn’t read it (myself included).

  10. bganon says:

    Ok here is the link please post it on the subject page Viktor


    Did anybody have the misfortune to watch an RTS special on Kosovo with Olivera Kovacevic? For a moment I thought we were still under Milosevic and it was 1999 – truly I’m not exaggerating and of course Kovacevic just doesnt know how to handle this kind of situation when the guests are all competing to be the biggest patriots on the Kosovo question. Pitiful journalism, she is better doing ‘people’ topics rather than serious issues.

    With people like that lining up to ‘defend’ Kosovo its no wonder we will lose it. A proposal I heard some time ago stays in my mind, the Serbian negotiating team on Kosovo didnt even have the imagination to include a representative from the Roma, Gorani, (or even Croatian I’m sure they could haul one out in the name of realpolitik) minorities to face the internationals.

    Instead we have people like Simic, a supposed foreign policy advisor, with an agenda that makes the radical party look moderate.

  11. Blackbird says:

    A thought-provoking, very calm analysis.

  12. Viktor says:

    Ok, i made another post before i read your comments, i think it’s better if we make the proposal document more visible on the web than it is now.

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