It was funny when it happened for the first time, and it’s still funny as hell:
Thousands of miles away from their native countries, after sipping on their expensive cool beverages and enjoying their pricey stadium burgers and fries, after paying couple hundred Aussie dollars to watch two high profile players compete in one of the most “elite” sports in the world, our Balkan boys still manage not to forget their patriotic hooligan spirit.
Nobody got seriously hurt, thank the tennis gods.
Novak Djokovic’s and Alen Delic’s reactions could be mostly summed up like this: “Meh.” Which was kind of expected, coming from people earning hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. Still, some kind words in style of “Leave your bloody nationalistic feelings at home, you bastards ” could maybe be more helpful?
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Are you really surprised? Do you imagine that just because they’ve gone off to Australia Serbs stop telling Bosnian refugees that nothing happened to them between 1992 and 1995? Denial goes further than Belgrade.The rest of the world doesn’t get all its ideas about the Balkans from watching events in Serbia.
Many of the Australian Serbs are refugees themselves from Bosnia and Croatia. A lot of them were Serbs driven out of Sarajevo and other places by the Croats and Muslims.
I’ve seen plenty of photos of identified Serb victims of the Bosnian Muslim military and paramilitary. The Muslims were decapitating and chopping up Serbs and even roasting them alive. Naser Oric and his 28th Brigade were using Srebrenica to launch terror attacks on Serbian villages all around. They also killed Serbian livestock and burned Serbian villages to ethnically cleanse the area. Then they run back behind the UN after their attacks.
I should also like to point out that the Bosnian Muslim fans were very rude in earlier matches and taunted player Taylor Dent. His father is furious with them:
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24940807-11088,00.html
Bosnian fans in race row, frustrate Taylor Dent
Michael Warner
January 21, 2009 12:00am
A RACE row has erupted at the Australian Open after unruly Bosnian fans heckled and abused American first-round loser Taylor Dent.
Dent’s father Phil, a former finalist at the Open, yesterday launched a scathing attack on the Bosnian supporter base for their conduct during his son’s fiery match with Bosnian-born Amer Delic on an outside court on Monday.
Taylor Dent made five complaints to the chair umpire before going down in five gruelling sets to Delic, who is now a US citizen.
“They were allowed to heckle, to taunt and to do lots of things,” Phil Dent said yesterday.
“I’ve played a lot of Davis Cup and Grand Slam tennis, and I can tell you their behaviour wouldn’t be allowed anywhere in the world. It was out of control.
“They were interrupting serves, they were chanting during line calls, and even in the middle of a point. And I can tell you, if Taylor had the same kind of support there would have been a riot…
P.S. Owen:
Also there’s news today from your own British press about how 80 killers from Albania have settled in Britain and been given citizenship. Many got in claiming they were Kosovo refugees, according to the report:
Eighty Albanian killers ‘have settled in Britain’
Eighty convicted murderers have set up home in Britain after fleeing Albania, it has been claimed.
By Matthew Moore
Last Updated: 7:47AM GMT 24 Jan 2009
Many of the killers have allegedly exploited the asylum system to gain UK citizenship after being smuggled into the country by traffickers.
The Albanian chief of police last night complained that British courts were hampering his country’s efforts to have the criminals extradited.
“We have made a list of our people who are hiding in the UK. There are 100 criminals, and more than 80 per cent are wanted for murder and have been convicted in absentia,” Ahmet Prenci said.
“They have been given British citizenship despite our efforts to extradite them to serve prison sentences in our country.”
The Home Office has been alerted to the identities and backgrounds of the men, many of whom claim to be refugees from the conflict in Kosovo who would face human rights abuses if returned…
Ida, perhaps you’d explain to me why you consider the criminality or otherwise of Albanians has any relevance to the subject under discussion? On second thoughts …
The point I was making, Ida, was that when Bosnians describe their experiences of documented atrocities these are still regularly denied by Serbs.
I don’t attempt to deny that Serbs suffered in the break-up of Yugoslavia. But there is an issue of scale that you seem determined to ignore. You never refer to the context of the casualty levels suffered by the different civilian populations. You cite atrocities perpetrated against Serbs without ever referring to the volume of indictments and convictions for Serb-perpetrated atrocities.
You and fellow apologists routinely depict Naser Oric as a criminal figure equivalent to Ratko Mladic, Radovan Karadzic and the other architects of genocide. You seem to have a pretty comprehensive access to information so you should be capable of weighing up the comparative scale of the crimes laid at different doors. Is Oric really a significant figure on the level of the people you ignore?
The specific issue I was raising here was the distress caused to people when their personal experience of terrible things is regularly denied, as I know happens in Australia. It is particularly distressing when denial is accompanied by death threats, as happened to someone I know last autumn (in a European country outside former Yugoslavia, where death threats seem to be an accepted part of the furniture).
Viktor, I’m afraid it won’t do to dismiss these disturbances as trivial hooliganism. According to the Strategic Marketing poll only 14 percent of interviewees said they would provide information leading to the capture of Ratko Mladic while 65 percent declared they would not. That’s a pretty clear message. There’s plenty of salt being stuffed assiduously into still open wounds. Ida’s voice may be particularly strident but it’s not coming from the wilderness.
“It is particularly distressing when denial is accompanied by death threats, as happened to someone I know last autumn (in a European country outside former Yugoslavia, where death threats seem to be an accepted part of the furniture).”
What are you talking about Owen? Right now a Serb priest in Croatia is in a hospital in Pakrac with 50% burns over his body after a mysterious explosion. These things don’t make the news you read. As well the tortures, rapes and deaths of Serbs during the war were muted from the mainstream news. You have no idea of the scale of ethnic cleansing and murder of Serbs in Bosnia and Croatia – it has been seriously downplayed.
Meanwhile those of Croats and Muslims have been proven to be exaggerated. Most of the Muslim and Croat deaths are MILITARY. The Bosnian Muslims had the largest military in Bosnia. FACT.
The researchers went over the lists and found it was the Muslims who were exaggerating and lying. The Bosnian Muslims had listed the SAME PEOPLE several times.
The Muslims did and do count their military dead as civilians. They have counted battle deaths and army accidents as well as mine deaths as being executed by Serbs.
You are full of the war hype which was done to SERVE western agenda for the breakup of Yugoslavia at the expense of the Serbs.
The breakup really got going after the reunification of Germany and it was no accidental timing. Germany as well as the U.S. and Britain were the chief leaders in supporting intolerant separatists, such as Tudjman and Izetbegovic (jailed at least twice for causing problems and radical Islamic activity) as the presidents.
And many of those Serbs in Australia DID have THEIR families’ homes and property stolen by the Muslims and Croats – who are keeping that property to this day!
An Australian Serb from a once wealthy family told of how his Croat and Muslim neighbors stole everything from his family. When they go back to visit Bosnia those same neighbors give them threatening stares. Obviously those neighbors want to hang on to their stolen gains.
“The researchers”?
What has happened to the priest in Pakrac is pretty awful but according to the local police chief quoted in the Tanjug report on B92, “judging by the severity of the explosion and the fact that the front and back wall of the house were demolished, the blast was likely caused by faulty gas installation.” Given the fact that the interrupted gas supplies are starting to flow again this isn’t an unreasonable explanation. In the UK severe post-winter holiday gas explosions are not uncommon. Of course we can’t rule out anything else, but I think it’s not unreasonable to suggest the grounds for suspicion before assuming that an incident is non-accidental.
Of course Serbs were ethnically cleansed and killed. No-one is pretending they weren’t. If you were willing to pay a moment’s attention to anything that thwarted your aspirations to immaculate victimhood you might have noticed for example that Gotovina is on trial at The Hague. But persistent denial by people like yourself of anyone else’s suffering in the 1991-1999 wars that quite a few “researchers” consider were provoked by Serbia is what has severely undermined the rest of the world’s inclination to pay due attention to the claims of Serb victims for our sympathy.
“you might have noticed for example that Gotovina is on trial at The Hague”
Yeah, one token Croat who will go through a farcical trial and get off while many of those who ordered the cleansing and did the killings get off scot-free. While Croatia didn’t have any sanctions, bombings or any demonizations that restricted the people or country in anyways. Brits happily vacation there with no thought to the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Serbs who’ve been ethnically cleanse and STILL TO THIS DAY can’t get back to their property.
Croatia got away with ethnic cleansing such that the Serbian population PERMANENTLY dropped from over 12.2% pre-war to less than 4.5% to this day.
And many of those 4.5% are people who live in Serbia as refugees but go back to Croatia to register and vote.
Should point out as well Croats in masks recently attacked the Serbian basketball team at the airport, and along with them hurt some children who were fans. One of the Serbian players injured the most is actually and AMERICAN playing on the team and he had to be treated at the hospital.
Also, in the last few days the Serbian handball team is receiving bomb threats, the Croats are chanting “Kill the Serbs” and about hanging Serbs on the willow trees (old WWII Ustasha saying) at the games, they are burning Serb flags, they have demolished and attacked a few Serbian cars, etc.
What’s sad about the rioting is that a lot of the most ‘fiery’ and even violent kids are those that might have been to Serbia/Croatia a couple of times for a holiday and are usually grand children or great grand children of Serbs/Croats that migrated to Australia after World War II. They have had this nationalistic sentiment drummed into them since they were born, and they’re convinced to believe that if they behave like this they are some how demonstrating their ‘love’ or adoration of their roots or homeland. It’s sad because their love or adoration would be much better expressed by at least attempting to learn the language, so then maybe they could understand what they were singing or chanting – and then they might also realize how pointless their actions really are. But I guess if they could do that they would be smart enough not to do these sorts of things in the first place. An idiot or a group of them only need an excuse, and if it wasn’t this it would be some thing else.
P.S. Well done to IDA for some excellent points on your comments. Keep it up, I’m glad someone on this blog is prepared to tell the other half of the truth to those intelligent but narrow-minded blog-writers. They also make some good points but aren’t quite ‘street-smart’ enough to be able to read between the lines – or maybe they just don’t want to? Any one with any minimal knowledge of world politics or history knows that if the events leading up to the war had taken place any where else in the world, almost an exact copy of what had happened in the balkans would have taken place there. People are people. In every group of people there are weak, strong, smart, funny, dumb, etc. Every thing is cause and effect. Owen seems to want to argue that Serbs in general are perhaps exceptionally dumb? Or maybe that just Serbs are just evil? Are Serbs evil Owen? Are they Evil? How else can we justify what happened? Serbs killed more people therefore they must just be bad at heart, with a few exceptions of course. If only there were more Croats, or Muslims, even Macedonians, in the former Yugoslavia, none of this would have ever happened! The evil Serbs, the cancer of the balkans would have been defeated once and for all! Serbs every where should stop what they are doing right this minute and take a good look at all the rest of the beautiful peace-loving nations of the world and reflect on their own crimes. What’s the matter blog-writers? Did you get teased by a mean Serb when you were little?
Smokva, most of my comments are not so much about whether what had happened in the Balkans would have taken place anywhere else, they’re about coming to terms or not with the fact that they did take place.
Smovka, if I’m less than patient with Serb/ian/s from time to time, it’s because I’ve been reminded of something, in the way I was just five minutes ago reading a report of evidence being given at Djordjevic’s trial about the bodies of the elderly victims executed at Izbica.
That brought to mind the exchanges I was having back in 1999 with a Serb acquaintance who was determined to convince me that the reports of deaths at Izbica were just propaganda. Yes, I was teased by a mean Serb, and I often still am.
I'm glad at least the Albanians do not have any appreciable (world class) tennis talent.
@Owen
Yes but how do you explain this to your average 'Milojko' who had nothing to do with the war, who just wants to do his job, come home to his family and just get on with his life. Who cares if he wouldn't give information on Mladic. There are many factors to consider if you are going to provide this sort of information. First and foremost your own safety and the safety of own family. Mladic isn't exactly the kid down the street that stole from the corner shop. Maybe they're afraid. Maybe they aren't afraid but they're not convinced that he as bad a criminal as he is portrayed as. How do they really know? Because they saw it on the news? Because someone wrote about it on their blog? If he is caught he'll be taken to the biggest joke of a court that has ever existed. They may as well get trained monkeys to try the case, and pull the verdict randomly out of a barrel of scrunched-up pieces of paper because that would be a more accurate assessment of guilt. Don't be surprised if the prosecution doesn't do too well, that something might happen to him late one night in his cell before he gets to present his defense.
OK, Smovka, they're not concerned and they don't know. And if they don't know and they aren't concerned, perhaps that tells us something about the society they're living in, that never stops complaining about the fact that other people are concerned? A society that you suggest thinks it's a joke that other people are concerned. And that thinks the idea of putting him on trial is a joke? And thinks the idea that a reasonable amount of evidence of his crimes exists is a joke? Do you wonder the outside world sometimes has difficulty taking Serbia seriously? Keep on laughing, but don't complain when the rest of us don't laugh with you.
I think it is generally accepted that less developed societies have neither the time or inclination to dwell on grand matters such as these. This may be wrong, but they are more concerned with making ends meet. To me that is normal. To me what isn't normal is when some of these same people idolise the likes of Mladic, not knowing anything about him, other than repeating something about his herosim etc.
However, even if I don't find that type of behaviour particularly normal, it is not uncommon that those with little in their lives will cling to heros, flags, concepts of what it means to be Serb/ English/ German / French etc. Quite simply they need something to fill gaps in their lives, to feel as if something they have makes them special – as they do not posses material wealth or a comfortable lifestyle.
Its never too hard (IMO) to imagine different mindsets and reasoning.
However, education and empowerment are the key.
The ICTY is a kangaroo court set up and financed by NATO countries to push their agenda. It is a political weapon against Serbs. Croats and Muslim mass murderers and leadership which engaged in planned ethnic cleansing and genocidal acts against Serbs (such as Tomislav Mercep) are ignored by that "court" and by the mainstream media – which doesn't dare print anything about Tomislav Mercep and his activities during the war or even the accusations against him.
Just a few days ago, Croatia's wartime police minister under Tudjman and very close to Tudjman has stated in an interview that "Croatia started the war by attacking Serbs". He said that Tudjman wanted to ethically cleanse Serbs and believed there had to be a war in order for Croatia to gain "independence", so they initiated attacks on Serbs. One specific attack was the Croatian war time Defense Minister Gojko Susak and other Croats mortaring a Serb village on the Croatia/Serbia border and destroying a home on the Serbian side. This Defense Minister died of lung cancer in the late 1990's, but while he was ill for several years, the U.S. government gave him their top medical treatment. This shows how U.S. treats war criminals (and war starters) if they attack a people/country the U.S. which serves the U.S. agenda (to break up Yugoslavia into ethnically pure/divided statelets to be easier controlled and absorbed by the EU/west, expand NATO/U.S. bases, project power, etc.).
Actually, what the Minister stated shows the intent of ethnic cleansing and genocide and that Croatia starting that war means it is the most guilty:
http://de-construct.net/e-zine/?p=4869
Tudjman’s Police Minister Admits Croatia Started the War by Attacking Serbs
In a sensational interview published on February 12 and carried by the several media outlets in Serbia, Croatia’s war-time minister of police said it was the Serbs and Yugoslavia who were being attacked in 1991, and not Croatia.
“Back then, in 1991, Serbs and Yugoslavia were under attack, not Croatia. Gojko Šušak, Branimir Glavaš and Vice Vukojević launched antitank rockets on Borovo Selo in order to provoke a war. The bridge in Osijek was destroyed for the same reason,” Boljkovac said.
He explained Croat war-time leader Franjo Tudjman “wanted the war at any cost”:
“The war was not a necessity — it was an intention. According to Tudjman’s concept, Serbs had to disappear from Croatia,” Boljkovac stressed, adding he was against the war and didn’t allow Serbs who were serving in the police in Croatia to be fired which, in turn, made him a target for assassination by Croat emigration.
http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,27574,25093042-2862,00.html
Back to the beginning. It’s simply not so “funny”, Viktor. It’s all part of the apparent inability of Serbian society – home and abroad – to come to terms with what happened.
I couldn’t care less what people like Ida has to say about me. But he/she and and his/her like ensure that the young people involved in this incident are able to feel justified and confident in expressing their hatred and contempt for the rest of the world, including Serbia’s genocide victims. And that’s why I’m still convinced that the EU would be wrong to listen to the demands for Serbia to be allowed to move on and forget.
“”Hunt for Australian Open ethnic tennis brawlers”, Matthew Schulz and AAP, Herald Sun, February 23, 2009 10:35am
POLICE want to speak to five men about a wild brawl at the Australian Open tennis tournament that left a woman unconscious.
About 30 people took part in the brawl at Melbourne Park on January 23, and police have identified five men captured on security footage they wish to speak to.
…
A young woman was knocked out by a flying chair as two groups of fans fought, after Serb Novak Djokovic beat Bosnian American Amer Delic in a tight four-set match.
After being hit by the chair the girl, 18, from St Albans, lay on the ground for some time being comforted by friends.
She was later treated by St John Ambulance and fled home to her mother.
Family friend Senada Softic said the girl was a Bosnian refugee whose father was killed in the 1995 genocide in Srebrenica, Bosnia.
Police believe she was an innocent caught in the crossfire when tensions between groups of Bosnian and Serb men and teenagers boiled over.
Ms Softic said Serbian fans were taunting Bosnian supporters with genocidal rants.
“The tension was so great. When you hear a group of youths between 16 and 20 years of age chanting, ‘Knife wire Srebrenica’, it’s absolutely appalling,” she said.
…”
Why do these people and the Facebook crowd think that braying ‘Knife wire Srebrenica’ is acceptable? Because they don’t know or they don’t care what genocide means. And why don’t they know or care? Because they’re still being told that really it doesn’t matter.
And,Ida, I know that the British have rightly had a shameful reputation in the past, with the Holocaust-related chanting, racism, homophobia, etc., of the thugs who used to shame British football, so I’m not castigating Serbians as such or saying that there is anything specifically Serbian about the phenomenon.
But the difference is that we at least seem to be making the effort to treat hate crime seriously, as the social menace it is. Is there any effective public campaign in Serbia to enact/enforce legislation making chanting “Noz, zica, Srebrenica” and propagating the sentiments that lie behind it a hate crime?
The current crowd of Serbian tennis players have actually been brilliant ambassadors for Serbia abroad. Perhaps if Serbian tennis was used to spearhead something like “Kick Out Racism” Serbia could even end up making substantial savings on the regular brand enhancement budget.
I understand your point, Owen. And you are right in saying that Serbs at home and abroad have to come to terms with what happened. Let’s just make it clear however, that coming to terms with something is NOT the same as accepting responsibility for it, and it seems this is what you are asking for. You are talking about a minority here. There are only a few people mostly of a certain age group (mid-teens to early twenties) that would ever consider behaving like this, especially at a tennis match. I think you’ll find that these ‘men’ that are talked about in your article are mostly around the 16 year old mark. Is it a failure of Serbian society as a whole that these kids abroad are acting in this way? Maybe. Bganon made a good point in his comment on this article where he talks about expectations of less developed societies. Australia is one of the most developed societies in the world, yet it’s government only really acknowledged and apologised for its treatment of the native peoples there LAST YEAR. So I don’t know really what you expect here. The racism you talk about is rampant all over eastern and western Europe. Every where you look you’ll find organised groups of neo-nazis and the like. You blame Ida and people like him/her for contributing to Serbia’s bad image to the rest of the world, when it’s you and people like you that are hell bent on reminding every one just how bad Serbia’s crimes and it’s society are. Almost every one of your comments is something like ‘yes I know British/American/Croatian/Bosnian/etc/etc did this, *BUT* Serbs did this or that. Serbs are worse in this way, Serbs are worse in that way.’ It’s you and people like you that are damaging us. Know-it-all foreigners that seem to have a bug in their ass about Serbia or something about Serbs and Serbia just rubs them the wrong way, who knows why. I find a lot of your comments generalising and sometimes insulting.
You can bring up any point on why you think Serbian society and it’s people are failing, and any one can easily counter you about similarities in British society, which in many cases are 10 times worse. You talk about our hooligans in sport, and a girl getting hit with a chair. Let me you remind you that not too long ago 40 Italians were KILLED at a football match against Liverpool. The kid who threw the chair might have some sort of direct or indirect experience of the recent war and is angry and confused. What excuse did the Liverpool fans have? Should we also talk about the Falklands War perhaps? The British involvement in Iraq? Perhaps you are being told these things really don’t matter or you are telling yourself that they really don’t matter.
Smokva, the point is that the Serbian government remains in breach of its international obligations under the ICJ ruling on 26 February 2007. Did all those people in Serbia who celebrated the ICJ ruling actually read what it had to say about their country? Did you celebrate that ruling? Did you read what it said?
Even if we absolve the people of Serbia from responsibility for Milosevic’s recalcitrance, since his departure Serbia has determinedly failed to acknowledge adequately what happened and deal with it. Serbia is still in breach of its international obligations. And Serbians have routinely voted in very substantial numbers for the political parties who have ensured that Serbia remained in that state of default.
I am not attacking Serbians for the sake of being holier than thou. Serbia and Serbians refuse to engage with reality and that’s why people keep saying things that you don’t want to hear. Until you decide that you want to acquire an awareness of where you stand in the world you will continue to misunderstand and misinterpret what other people say about you.
The outside world isn’t critical of Serbia just for the sake of causing you damage, as you seem to believe, what it wants is to to make sure that you are not the same country that caused so much damage to it. That’s the where the problem lies. We can’t sort it out for you. That’s up to you.
Smovka, you refer to a recent event involving Liverpool FC and the death of Italian fans. I assume that you mean the Heysel Stadium disaster in 1985 at the European Cup Final when 39 Juventus fans were killed. That was a horrific and shameful event.
But the point is that the football clubs and the English and British football authorities, perhaps sometimes reluctantly and incompetenlty, nevertheless understood that they had to act and deal with the problem, and there was widespread soul-searching in British society as well.
If you want to criticise the English football authorities and the British government for their failure to deal adequately with what happened, go ahead. Where matters haven’t been resolved they need to be resolved. But be specific if you’re going to accuse me of generalising.
Heysel happened in 1985. Srebrenica happened in 1995, Izbica in 1999. Tell me that Serbia has dealt with the findings of international law and comlied with the rulings of the international justice system that Serbia appears to be happy making use of.
You want the outside world to say yes, we trust you, be our friends. Well, please show us we can trust you. I’ll know that those kids are an aberrant phenomenon when for example you inform me that the Serbian justice system has completed its thorough investigation of what happened at Mackatica.
Smovka, you’re probably right in accusing me of generalising. I am an outsider, my comments are based on observations from outside and on what other people tell me, and it’s fair to hold me to account for that. But when I refer to specific issues they rarely get specifically answered.
I totally agree with Owen
Owen, interesting how you have made yourself the self appointed judge and jury of the Serbian nation! I believe more, the accounts presented by people that were there, as unbiased journalists from your country writing for ” THE INDEPENDENT” of London. Journalists such as Robert Fisk, PULITZER PRIZE winner, military journalist,Scott Taylor, who was embedded with the warring factions in Bosnia, General Lewis MacKenzie, the Canadian leader of Nato in Bosnia. These people give a different slant on this war travesty and shows that there was propaganda used to break up the former Yugoslavia and make Sebia the scapegoat. BBC reporter, Johnathan Roper, wrote about the” Srebrenica Research Group”, headed by former UN OFFICIAL, Phillip Corwin and Carlos Marins Branco, and the 200 page report that shows US policy undermined the peace process by facilitating shipments of illegal weapons to the Muslims, while Germany was arming the Croats.( The US had declared it illegal to arm any of the combatants) This turned safe zones into conflict areas. Also the masacre at Srebrenica was used as a method to villianize the Serbs. This report shows that the premise that Serb forces executed 7,000 to 8,000 people was never a possibility. General Enver Hodzihasanovic , a Bosnian , testafied at the Hague that 3,000 of the estimated soldiers that were counted as missing were redeployed and were in fact alive. Out of 40,000 residents 38,000 survived, 2,000 were killed and many of those were fighting with the paramilitary, others were in fact , were murdered. Furthermore, Nato Deputy General Charles Boyd, said that Croation attacks on the Serb enclaves of western Slavonia differed only in the hand wringing of CNN footage and that ethnic cleansing evokes condemnation only when committed by Serb,s not against them! Then we have that famous footage of the Bosnian MuslimFikret Alic, , behind the barbed wire in the refugee camp near Privedor. This was used as shock value in an attempt to evoke memories of Nazi concentration camps and was played over and over again. Penny Marshall,whose crew shot the footage , complained it was taken out of context and Paddy Ashdow, the British Labor Leader, confirmed when he investigated the area that the barbed wire was around a large shed and copound that housed machinery and a transformer station and that the refugees were free to leave if they so chose. You might want to read ” Inside The Opus Dei’ or’ ” Embedded” by Scott Taylor. Opus Dei recounts how the Croatian alliance with the Muslims harks back to 1941, when Muhammad Amin Husuenni, a muslim cleric in Hitler’s SS guard , with the blessing of the Vatican, aided the Croatian Ustashi in executing 770,000 Orthadox Serbs , 60,000 Jews and 25,000 gypsies. Where was the accountability there? Lets face it , there is a political reason behind this war and the Serbs were not smart enough to use the media the way the the Muslims and Croats did . They paid a very prominate PR firm to promote thier case and we all know most people are like cattle, they believe what they read and see on CNN. IT IS SAID THAT “HOW HISTORY READS DEPENDS ON WHO IS DOING THE WRITING”. Just maybe if people such as yourself , researched more, and weren’t so biased, the Serbs would take accountability, but in the name of fairness, hold the other feet to the fire as well
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